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gothikmaus ([personal profile] gothikmaus) wrote2012-01-24 11:52 am
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Why. WHY.

When we finally think the world will stop making fun of us because of our Prime Minister, THIS happens:





*headdesk multiple times*

I'm sorry to say this, because it was a tragedy and people died, but really? Did the captain really think he could get away with such a ridiculous excuse? He deserves all the mocking he's getting.

[identity profile] polarforscherin.livejournal.com 2012-01-24 11:49 am (UTC)(link)
I'd accept that he panicked after the crash and ran without thinking but a few days later I expect him to be able to have a better explanation.

A little comfort for you: Costa Crociere is owned by a British-American group. So the not very well trained crew is there fault as well.

[identity profile] gothikmaus.livejournal.com 2012-01-24 02:02 pm (UTC)(link)
That's what I said as well: he's the captain of a cruise ship, not a battleship, so I don't expect him to react like a military man, but still, he was trained to handle emergencies. I can understand he panicked, but when the port authority officer told him to get back on board, he should have gone straight away. Instead he took his time and came up with lame excuses.

And I can't believe the black box had been out of order for 2 weeks and no one knew or did anything about it. Just, no.

[identity profile] polarforscherin.livejournal.com 2012-01-24 02:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Instead he took his time and came up with lame excuses.

That's a very poor strategy in my opinion. He should have consulted a lawyer before and asked what to say or better should have invented no lame excuses at all. I'm curious what the courts will decide.

I didn't even know that the black box was broken. Is there nothing about the crash on it?

[identity profile] gothikmaus.livejournal.com 2012-01-24 03:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, he couldn't consult a lawyer because he got the call from the port authority just after the fact, when people were still trying to leave the ship (while he had already left). And when the officer told him "Go back right now, there are casualties, for fuck's sake!" he replied "Um, casualties? How many?" And the officer just lost it and shouted "You're the one who's supposed to inform me about that, not the other way around!"

I didn't know about the black box either, but apparently it was broken. I'm not sure, but I think there's more than 1 black box on ships that big.

[identity profile] polarforscherin.livejournal.com 2012-01-24 04:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I knew about that but I thought that I'd have tried to call a lawyer as soon as I'd be able to think again maybe a few hours later? He said so many stupid things even after hours of being able to calm down again. I'd accept that he was still in shock while he made that call.

I hope there is another one. They always say black boxes are secure and can't be destroyed. Obviously that doesn't have to mean that they work all the time. And I'm not even convinced that they can't be destroyed. I don't think that anybody could guarantee more than that it's very unlikely.

[identity profile] angrylogic.livejournal.com 2012-01-24 06:11 pm (UTC)(link)
As much as the captain has been an idiot, I do feel like he has been made a bit of a scape goat. Surely his second officer or others should have stopped him? There is a reason there is a structure of crew. If the captain bailed, the rest of the crew should have stepped in. Maybe they weren't trained properly, but then why is the actual company not being prosecuted? I just don't feel like he's wholly responsible and while he deserves whatever he gets, others should be held accountable too, and not just for bailing or messing up the evacuation.

[identity profile] gothikmaus.livejournal.com 2012-01-25 10:54 am (UTC)(link)
I'm sure the company is involved in some way or other, we'll just have to find out how much they knew. As for the crew, they did step in, they basically did all the evacuation operations by themselves, because the captain had already left the ship at that point. Someone even talked about "mutiny" (which is an exaggeration), because they did everything without consulting with the captain. Well, hello, he had already left, what were they supposed to do? Let people panic while waiting for instructions?

[identity profile] angrylogic.livejournal.com 2012-01-25 01:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I was thinking more about the crew acting before and immediately after the ship struck the rocks. I agree that the captain was a complete wuss and failed in his duty during the evacuation, but there's really not been a lot in the news here about why the accident happened to begin with :\ I mean, was the captain fully responsible for taking the course that he did? Did he make that decision all by himself? I've heard that he's possibly being prosecuted for manslaughter, but I'd also like to hear what else he responsible for. Even if no one had died, he would still be in a shit-ton trouble.

[identity profile] gothikmaus.livejournal.com 2012-01-25 02:04 pm (UTC)(link)
>> but there's really not been a lot in the news here about why the accident happened to begin with

We don't know either. Someone says the captain was sailing manually and didn't realise there were rocks right there (which is a lame excuse because everyone knows there are rocks there), other people say he sailed as close as possible to the shore to "show off the ship", possibly for marketing purposes, someone says he was sailing too close to the shore, someone else says the ship wasn't too close but it was sailing too fast.

Long story short: no one has an idea what really happened.

[identity profile] angrylogic.livejournal.com 2012-01-25 02:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I did hear something about the captain claiming the rocks hadn't been there before. So in essence, he was blaming a volcano u_u WTF.

[identity profile] gothikmaus.livejournal.com 2012-01-25 02:26 pm (UTC)(link)
That's what I thought as well! Like that volcano in the Pacific that just rose from the ocean overnight. Pff.

[identity profile] kiviraat.livejournal.com 2012-01-25 12:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow, America... Just wow... I have to say that I've not seen any evidence of mocking on British tv (unless it's been kept to the one satirical programme we have but I don't think it's airing just now) Most people here just seem to be struck by how tragic and avoidable it all was. We've had so many different translations of the captain's conversation with the coastguard as well but I suppose they all tell the same story just in slightly dfferent ways.

[identity profile] kiviraat.livejournal.com 2012-01-25 12:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Silly thing posted my comment early. The story is slipping out of the news here unless they find another body so I'm not even sure what's been happening the past few days but will look online for latest news

[identity profile] gothikmaus.livejournal.com 2012-01-25 02:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Not much has happened to be honest, they're still looking for corpses and trying to recover the fuel before it spills into the sea. The police and coast guard are investigating and trying to understand what happened, but it'll take ages, I guess.